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Interview with Katherine Oktober Matthews on Life Framer (Open Call)

Photography in an increasingly fragmented world

The multi-talented Katherine Oktober Matthews – photographer, writer and Chief Editor for GUP Magazine – was judge for our 2016 ‘Open Call’. As a passionate thinker, and an advocate and champion for the photographic arts, we were compelled to sit down with her and discuss her work, her philosophy, and what it means to be a photographer today.


As juror for our ‘Open Call’, it might be a challenging one to judge – with no theme there are few constraints for submitting photographers. What are you looking for in a winning image? Can you talk us through your review process?

It’s exciting to explore something so boundless as an Open Call. By the very nature of that, I’ll be looking for the unexpected. When photographers are faced with freedom, it says something quite fundamental about their artistic production how they answer that call, whether it moves towards something they perceive as ‘safe’ or if they’re willing to take a risk. This is a forum for art, so we aren’t talking about some picture to decorate an Ikea showroom – ‘safe’ just isn’t going to cut it.

So, I’m looking for something that makes me think and feel at the same time. Something that’s daring (even if it’s in a quiet way). A well-executed idea that’s unique and shows a photographer’s personal signature and a whole lot of heart.

You’re Chief Editor for GUP Magazine. Can you tell us a little bit more about GUP and your role?

GUP is the Guide to Unique Photography, an international quarterly print publication and online platform that showcases the best that the contemporary world of art photography is producing. As Chief Editor, I’m constantly scouting for photographic projects, thinking about photography as a medium, and trying to promote or contextualize the work I see. We’re known as something of a “photographers’ photography publication”, so I take as a starting point that our readers are informed – they’re following the buzz. So, staying at the forefront of that is a challenge, and requires insatiable curiosity not just about photography but about the world that photography fits into. I mean, it’s important to never lose sight of the fact that photography is just one medium in an increasingly fragmented world that really doesn’t care at all about boundaries. It’s entropy, you just can’t get attached to labels or definitions.

Like the word “unique”. People often ask me what “unique” means, in the context of producing a Guide to Unique Photography. What’s interesting for me is that you can only talk about this quality as a dynamic construct, because what’s unique today is already a convention tomorrow. I like to compare it to the pursuit of happiness – you never reach happiness, except for the experience of a fleeting moment, but you move in pursuit of it. It’s a movement or a direction, rather than something that fits cleanly into a box marked “unique”. Some things feel more in the right direction than others.

Unique is also tricky to talk about in general because it involves activation of an individual’s pattern recognition. If we think we’ve seen it before, it’s not original, so each of us can have a different reaction. Depending on what a person has been exposed to, it could be that an image does or does not seem unique to them – so, that’s a mental calculation that we make based on our pre-existing data set (experience) plus our own mental algorithms that seek connections to help us understand the new input (pattern matching). I’m essentially trying to make sure that my data set is constantly expanding, and my pattern matching is a highly alert, evolving organism. It gets harder and harder with experience to find something unknown – but this is what makes the feeling so absolutely ecstatic when I come across truly original art.

Where did your love of photography begin?

I have such a distaste for describing my relationship with photography using the words “love” or “passion”. I’d much rather say “it’s complicated”. Because, look, in a way, I’m constantly trying to rip photography apart to see what it even is. I’m constantly asking what it’s about, and what it means, if anything. Maybe, in the end, that is “love”, but that seems too dysfunctional in my mind.

Photography activates me, I can say that. It’s a black box to mystify myself with, in a challenge that’s both emotional and intellectual, and ultimately unsolvable. It started with the idea that it’s so, so easy to take a photograph, and you can do it in literally a fraction of a second, and yet it’s so damned difficult to take a good photograph. The easiness of photography is exactly what makes it so difficult, especially now that the technology has gotten so advanced, and that’s further compounded by the fact that so many others are occupying themselves with the same riddle.

Outside of the day job, you’re a hugely talented photographer, videographer and writer. And yet you started with a degree in psychology and work in IT. How did this career trajectory happen? And do you think your background influences your work and art now?

It happened just by chasing my curiosity, which tends to be both vast and deep. I started building websites when I was a teenager, because the internet was this crazy universe of unknowable potentiality where you could construct these digital objects that packaged raw information together with the means of presenting and sharing it – I still think it’s an incredible mode of communication. But I was also interested in the human mind and consciousness, so even though I started off studying Computer Science, I graduated in Psychology. And, all the while, I’m also writing and photographing and watching movies and travelling and reading and fascinated in other things, too. Some of those fascinations grew bigger until they demanded more space in my life. If I look back to try to give that trajectory a shape, it seems to be that I’ve been working towards the mastery of different media for conveying thoughts or emotion.

And, for sure, all of those things are a part of my life and my art. Even the “Oktober” in my nom de plume – it’s not actually part of my name, it’s a handle of mine from the ‘90s when I’d dial-in to networks with a modem. So, all of these things talk to each other. Regardless of the output I’m producing, whether code or a photograph, or even a conversation or a kiss, it’s all about creating connection. In the end, I think we’re all looking for ways to mainline existence, to achieve a more direct way of tapping into ourselves, other people and our environments. That desire is replete with risks, but let’s not kid ourselves, life is a bloodsport.

How do you see GUP Magazine’s role changing as the world of photography evolves? Is the print edition less relevant now, or more so?

I hope we will continue to be a resource for the photographically informed, as they look for what’s interesting in the world of photography. The print magazine is still relevant now, because we honour it as a print publication – we invest in good printing and good paper, we choose works based on how they’ll look in print and we invest in good design. We’re producing an object that respects its own physicality, and anyone who picks it up can see that pretty quickly. Meanwhile, the website buzzes along with daily updates – that’s something totally different, it can be immediate and reactive. I think those two platforms work together really nicely because they’re two distinct signals that diversify, and amplify, a single message. We also try to be involved with photography on a personal level, through education, lecturing and portfolio reviews, and I see that as another media for fulfilling our role of exploring and expressing the best that photography has to offer.

As someone who must see hundreds of images a day, what advice do you have for emerging or aspiring professional photographers? What does it take to stand out? Are there ‘mistakes’ that often recur?

I think any aspiring “professional” photographer has to make peace with the distinction between their ability to earn a living and their ability to make the work that they want. These two things might never meet. In fact, making the work that you want to make might just be a cost-based endeavour that you even take on other assignments in order to finance. Nobody owes you money just because you made it. Nobody owes you an exhibition, or a photobook, or even a compliment just because you made it. You might get none of that. If you’re okay with all that, and you still want to make your work… then do it. Do it to talk to that weird little voice deep inside you, the one that only talks to you, with the hopes that the voice will get louder.

You often run portfolio reviews. It seems to me that in an age of social media ‘likes’, it’s perhaps easier to get exposure, but harder to get deep, considered feedback. Do you agree with that?

I think it’s harder to get deep, considered anything these days. Our attention is a valuable resource, and yet we end up throwing great portions of it away on the most trivial matters, only to find out that we don’t have the energy to engage deeply with something.

But it’s a sign of our times, and I’m not saying that this is inherently a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thing. I greatly enjoy engaging in depth, but I’m too aware of the benefits of evolutionary diversity to wish that everyone else would be like me. Some people don’t want deep, considered feedback, they want the immediacy or quantifiability of ‘likes’. It’s apparent to me that these are superficial gestures that serve a social function (a shorthand for an emotion, rather than the emotion itself), and a marketing function (generating numbers, however meaningless) rather than anything that adds to wisdom, but we’re learning and experimenting through it, and that’s human nature, isn’t it?

I think a kind of existential question that any artist has to ask is whether they need to receive positive feedback from some external party in order to continue their work, and if so, what form does that take? If you arrive at the conclusion that yes, you do need positive feedback in order to continue, it’s again not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s important to know what’s driving you. Do you want to grow as an artist, or do you want likes?

And tell us, what’s inspiring you right now, photography or otherwise?

I’m thinking a lot about information theory and consciousness. Our biology lets us read and interpret raw information from our environments, but actually, we are dealing with an extremely limited data set, compared with the information available. We don’t perceive that limitation, because of our consciousness itself – we feel aware, we feel awake, no matter how minimized or distorted our view of reality is. These input filtrations are useful for our survival because it helps us focus our attention on things we should eat, fuck or fight, but I find myself incredibly inspired by the idea of all the information that I’m not picking up… I want more of it.


Life Framer interviewed me for their contest this month, which I’m judging. The theme is Open Call.

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